Guest Robert “Bob” Norton takes us into the chaos and tragedy that he calls “the dark mind” of the founder of New England GHOST, a New England based paranormal investigation organization. A person he describes as being “soul-less” and whom exhibits “anti-social behaviors”. The wake of destruction he claims to have seen this person leave behind is nothing short of concerning. If you’re a paranormal investigation team leader, or team member, this show is likely for you
In this installment of our “Fraud in Paranormal” series we interview Bob Norton, an individual who presents our audience with a rare introspective into the lifestyle of a woman he has significant personal and intimate experience; a woman who’s lived much of her adult life-experience under the umbrella of an extensive criminal history which began as early as the 1990′s.
From such crimes as theft, fraud, domestic violence, and child neglect, this show is designed to bring you into the disaster that is this self-proclaimed “14th generation natural born psychic” con artist. A woman who, within a 9 month time period, went from being a paranormal investigator with zero investigation experience, to the founder and director of New England GHOST, a New England based paranormal investigation organization which boasts “branches” in the U.S. and abroad. All while publicly touting herself as an established multi-generational psychic with “10 years of paranormal investigation experience”.
Partial Transcription of Robert Norton’s Interview
09:55
Bob: My name is Bob Norton, and the pers- and I have intimate knowledge of the person you’re speaking about. Her name is Amy Elizabeth Morrison. And, uh, she is the mother of one of my children. Actually, 2 of my children. She – Sh- there were, uh – my son Alex, was uh – uhm – in foster care because of Amy. And he died in a car accident while in foster care. An unfortunate situation for everybody but, uh, she had no knowledge of the fact he died in a car accident until 5 years after it happened. So, uh, if she wants to portray herself as mother of the year I, uh, y’know – we’ll just let her have fun with that.
10:58
Bob: I and my family were victims of her and her absolute world of craziness. Y’know, she stole from us. She stole from me. She claimed domestic violence. Uh – now, let me tell ya a little bit about this; the Domestic violence. This was back when, in 1994, uhm, at the height of the domestic violence rage. And please, don’t misu- misinterpret this for, uh – first of all, domestic violence is a terrible, terrible crime, no matter who the victim is, man or woman. And so I’m not trying to make light of the situation with what I’m about to say. But, uhm, Amy tends to uhh, Amy tends to go with the flow with activities that are highlighted in the news like, back in 1994 the OJ Simpson situation was – brought a lot of awareness to domestic violence. So she took that opportunity to go ahead and claim that she was a victim of domestic violence. And, uhh, y’know it was a simple yelling between herself and myself. And, I wound up walking away, or, I wound up leaving, and she calls the police and said that, y’know, she was threatened and what have you. And the police came. And, y’know, I come home and there they are waiting for me. And I’m completely dumbfounded by the whole situation. And, y’know, I got arrested, and uh, y’know, so, y’know, that’s where that went. Now, again, I’m not trying to make light of the crimes, or the causes, or the victims of domestic violence. But, uhm, y’know, again, Amy goes ahead whenever she sees som- the new hot topic – for example, paranormal investigations, which you guys are all involved in, y’know she takes full advantage of that being something very popular, up and coming, and now all-of-a-sudden it comes as no surprise, to me at least, that she’s involved in it.
13:37
Tony: So Bob, how old was Amy when you met her? Where did you guys meet?
Bob: Well we met, uh, I was – we were uh – I was living in Minneapolis, Minnesota. And this was back in 1992 when I met Amy. And Amy was about 23, or 23 at the time, I was uh, a couple years older, about 27. And she was working as a nanny for a nice Jewish couple, in Minneapolis, which is absolutely amazing because I’ve never met a more anti-semitic person in my life than Amy Morrison. So she hid it very well from them.
14:50
Tony: So 1992 you meet Amy, ’93 you have Kevan.
Bob: mhm
Tony: And when did you start seeing things, uhm, when did you start seeing the ‘other side’ of Amy?
Bob: Well, that, y’know, uhm – I saw some things that didn’t make sense, didn’t match up. First of all, she told me, uh, y’know, that her father – his name was Douglass Lewis. He owned radio and TV stations and was a mover and shaker out on the West Coast. And uhm, had a lot of high profile friends, and uh y’know, and I thought “well, alright, y’know, whatever you say”. Uh, but it really was interesting how far she would go to back up a lie. I mean, she took me out to Los Angeles one time and, uh, I didn’t have to spend a dime if I didn’t need to. Uhm, we got into the nicest restaurants. We were on the guest list of, uh – the VIP guest list of a very very popular nightclub out there – “The Roxbury”. We got into, we got into the VIP room, and were hanging out with, y’know, Lionel Ritchie, Sara- Sandra Bernhardt, uhm, Madonna was there that night. Keanu Reeves. Oh my god, Luke Perry from 90210, y’know a hot show back in the early 90’s, I mean I couldn’t believe it. Here I am rubbing elbows with these people. And uh, y’know, got us right in. There was a really long line at the door. Got right in on the gues- on the VIP Guest List. I don’t know how in the world y’ – you uh… y’get in through that way, but, uh – uhm, y’know so, y’know y’think, wow, y’know, she – she, y’know, she does have some connections. Being able to get in there.
Tony: Right
Bob: And uh,
Tony: And this happened when you first met her?
Bob: Yeah, when we first starting dating
Kat: So, so that – that – what you’re saying right now – it goes along with one of the things that she actually told us, which we’re – we don’t know if she’s telling other people, but we kinda think she probably is. That her father is a high level – not high level – that he owns production companies in Hollywood. His name is Douglass Lewis MacLeod, and uhm
Bob: I just heard Douglass Lewis – is this Kat I’m talking to?
Kat: Yeah
Bob: Oh hi!
Kat: Sorry, and his best friend is Clint Eastwood, and that’s her godfather. And they hang out on the Yacht together all the time and blah blah blah, and I’m just like “ok”, so
Bob: Sure
Kat: Oh yeah, and so you saying what you’re saying right now, it goes right along with what, y’know, and, and, I was just like you. She was telling me these things to, when, uhm, after about a month or two of knowing her she starts these little – it’s like a little lie she planned on making bigger and bigger. About this guy, Douglass Lewis MacLeod, who’s this rich media mogul, who oh! Best friends with uhm,
Bob: Clint Eastwood
Kat: Yah! But there’s another guy though, uhm, I’m gonna remember his name and I’ll say it when I remember it.
Bob: Oh, she – you. The – y’know the – the stories of the friends that she has it’d make your head spin. I mean, she was uh, she went to high school with Amy Dolenz, y’know, Mickey Dolenz’ daughter.
Kat: Oh! She told me that! She told me that!
Bob: Oh (chuckle) I’m ringing a lot of bells here! (Chuckle)
Kat: Yeah!
Bob: How about the Carney Wilson story?
Kat: Yes! The Beach Boys Daughters! She used to bathe in the same tub! Yup!
Bob: The Beach Boys daughters… ohhhhhh yeah yeah yeah
Kat: It was her idea – It was HER idea to put Wilson-Phillips together! God, if they didn’t know her they never would have gotten together.
Bob: And their half sister was Diane Anthony Kennedy the uh, the fashion executive on the show 90210. Oh yeah, she’s just something else with the stories. She’s, she’s very – and like I said – she, she will not stop at anything to cover – in an attempt to cover up a lie.
19:36
Kat: But her stories aren’t real though, right Bob? They’re not real
Bob: No. They’re not real. No
Tony: So, she took you out there and she brought you to the Roxbury, you’re hanging out with all these celebrities, so you’re thinking “wow, this girl’s for real”
Bob: Oh. She didn’t know any of them though, Tony. I’m sorry. She just – We were just in the VIP area.
Tony: Right, but she’s there. She got you there. She got you in there. And you’re seeing them, and you’re hanging around with them. You’re in the VIP room, so you’re thinking “this is something”. Right?
Bob: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and I, y’know – it was a pretty impressive – pretty impressive stunt to just …. I gotta say.
20:17
Tony: So, did you ever ask to meet her father?
Bob; No, I’ve never met her father. I, I, I uhhh – I don’t – I come to find out later one- after talking to her mom that her father was named Doug Lewis, he was just a DJ that bounced around from city to city to city on small market stations like y’know, places in North Dakota and Iowa. Y’know, Georgia. Wherever. Y’know. Somewhere where they had, y’know, probably the graveyard shift. Y’know, but not much about it. She’ll pull these grandio- she’ll manufacture that into a grandiose story. So, no. I’ve never met him.
21:00
Tony: After she took you to the Roxbury did she, uhm, share any other information or any other wild stories about her father with you?
Bob: Nnnno, uhm, she at that point probably figured out that she didn’t really need to. She really had me snowballed. And I’m, y’know, I, I’m – like I told you, when uh – when I first talked to ya this evening, I uh, y’know I heard Elizabeth’s story last night and, and uh, y’know she – uh, I, hindsight’s always 20/20. And uh,
Tony: yeah
Bob; you can only go so far of beating yourself up for being taken advantage of for these things. Y’know, you wanna say “oh gosh, y’know, gosh, there was a sign. And I completely looked the other way. And uh”
Tony: Yeah
Bob: Y’know, it’s amazing that uh – y’know how many – how much carnage she’s left y’know hearing
Kat: It’s true
Bob: Yeah, how much carnage and destruction this individual has left, y’know, because – she’s she’s sick, I mean she’s just absolutely sick.
Kat: Yeah
Bob: and the problem is, there, there – there just really is a ‘pass the buck’ attitude when it comes to people like this and this type of sickness.
22:48 [Munchausen-by-Proxy]
Bob: And Kat and Tony, and everybody on the line here – there is nobody that she will not try – she will not affect and – nobody’s out of bounds. … …. … For example, I don’t know if anybody’s – or I’m sure I explained to you what Munchausen-By-Proxy is and she’s had numerous – well, 3 to be exact, the 2 children that I had with her, Kevan and Alex, and she has a daughter by the name of ____ Silva and uh, she was uh the, last night uh, you had Elizabeth on and uh, the uh man that she was talking about that was her (Amy’s) boyfriend that came in th- his was name was Alberto Silva. He lives, he’s from Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And they had a daughter who’s, I wanna say she’s probably about 15 or 16 right now, her name is ____ Silva. And uh, she, she, she claimed that all – all 3 of those children at one time or another, uhm, had had – had stopped breathing. And of course no one – they went as far as calling the paramedics and taking them to the hospital. And of course, all 3 times nobody was there other than just Amy. So. She picks her spots. And, And, And uh, y’know, it’s – y’know, she blindsides people with things like that but uh, y’know, she – she – she’ll stop at nothing and think nothing of using anybody or anything to try and get attention for herself. She’s nothing but a professional victim.
24:24
Kat: Yeah, and y’know, I mean, listening to you say – I didn’t know – what you just said, I didn’t. I. This is the first time I’ve – I have heard of Munchausen-By-Proxy but I hadn’t heard the rest what you just said and, uhm, so that actually concerns me more, because I think she might be actually working as a CNA with, y’know, y’know the elderly. People who are in need of someone to take care of them.
Bob: Well, the thing about that is, and I, and I heard that last night – ahh, y’know, again, I wasn’t in, I didn’t uhh, I – I just heard last night’s, uhm, show, uh, finished that up just a few minutes ago before I got on here. And uh, I, that concerns me as well because you hear numerous stories of people that, uh, wind up getting their, getting their, social security numbers taken. Taken and their identity uhh, stolen, and these are elderly people. Uhh, they could be, y’know, they could be people that are her age that have disabilities, uhm, and y’know, she, she’ll come across as the angel sent from God to some of these people and she’ll con them into – into getting, y’know into giving them uhh, power of attorney or something to that effect and she’ll do nothing but screw’em.
Kat: Yah
Bob: and Screw’em hard, she will
26:05
Tony: Yeah, so we did some, when we started having issues with her and things weren’t adding up with the stories she was telling Kat and what, y’know, what I was sensing from her and, and her behaviors and actions. I started to do some research into her background. And she told us so many different names when she first met us. First of all she gave us a false name. And then she gave us another false name and said ‘by the way can you call me this name because I’m hiding from my abusive ex-husband’
Bob: the abusive ex-husband. The abusive boyfriend. Always a victim of abuse. She claimed that her __ molested her. Y’know, I mean, this is a woman that – she, she, – she is is such a – she is such a – such a soulless empty individual. Like I said, nobody is out of bounds when it comes to her trying to portray herself as a victim.
27:09 [Active bench warrant, fired numerous times for stealing money and property]
Tony: You’ve had more, much more experience with her than any of us have, so you would have more knowledge of what she is like on that kind of personal level than – and to live with her – I mean, you had children with her, so. But we started to dig into her research, we started to research and dig into her background and we started finding, y’know, uhm, lots of criminal arrests and convictions in Ohio, uhm
Bob: Yeah she has an active, and active arrest, I’m sorry for interrupting, but to add onto that, she has an active arrest warrant in the city of Avon Lake, Ohio. Which is on the west suburbs of, of Cleveland. And that is for check fraud, uhm, she uh, was uhhh, and this goes back to the 90’s when she was living here. Uhm, now, they – they – aren’t able to extradite, they – it’s a misdemeanor so they won’t extradite her if she gets pulled over for something somewhere else. But uh, y’know they actually have to extradite – they, they would extradite her if it was a felony. But it was, it was just one of many misdemeanors that – that, y’know, she’s able to fly under the radar screen with.
Kat: But she leaves a trail though. She leaves a trail. We have it.
Bob: Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
Tony: She does. So, so she started there, and I don’t even know if that’s where she started.
Bob: Well she started this in Minnesota actually. Uhmmm
Tony: Minnesota?
Bob: Yeah. She’ll, She’ll have uh, she – when she was living in, in uh, I remember after Kevan was born uh y’know, she moved in with me, after Kevan, well, before Kevan was born, she moved in with me. And, uh, after Kevan was born she, y’know, she obviously went to work because we, know, needed the money obviously, and uh – y’know, 2 weeks – and this happened on a regular occurrence – 2 weeks in, she comes on and well “they let me go”. I’m like “well, what happened?” “Well, they, they, there, mon- some money came uhh, came up missing, and they uhh accused me of that so I quit”. I’m like, alright, well, y’know, ok. I understand. And then, uh, y’know, next job she got was a uh, a uhm, apartment leasing manager in, uh, Minnesota. Well all of a sudden some money came up missing from the safe and, uh, she quit because she was accused of it. And it happened like 4 or 5 times. Nanny jobs. Oh they, uh, “some watches came up missing so I quit”. “Y’know, “They accused me of this”. Y’know. Uh, the nice – the nice Jewish couple that, uh, she was working for, in, uh, Minneapolis when we first started going out, she wound up getting fired because, uh, she uh, they caught her stealing stuff. Y’know. It, It, It… It’s always. It’s always somebody else’s fault that she’s getting – she’s getting accused of these things and her principles – she’s gonna stand on her principles, and y’know not, not stand for being accused of this stuff but y’know it all came back to missing money, missing property, missing – y’know, this came up missing, that came up missing, y’know. And, uh, uhm, it always came back to something like that.
31:37 [Aliases and fake names]
Bob: I know you’ve got a checklist of her names. Here’s some that I have. Her real name is Amy Elizabeth Morrison. Uhm. Here’s some of the other names:
Amy Lewis
Beth Lewis
Elizabeth Lewis
Elizabeth Morrison
Now, she’s married. Uhh. Right now she’s married so her – that – her maiden name is Amy Elizabeth Morrison. But, uh, now her married name is Amy Rodriguez. Her husband’s name is Ralph Rodriguez. She’s also gone by:
Amy Rodriguez
Beth Rodriguez
Amy Silva
____Silva which is interesting because Silva is her daughter’s name. And I found out from my son Kevan, uh, on a recent visit here, that uh, he believes that he is – that she has used her daughters social security number and _____ (daughter) is about 15 or 16 years old now. So, uh, y’know, like when I tell ya that nobody is out of bounds for her path of destruction, uh, there’s a cla- it doe- it would not surprise me if she used _____ (daughter’s) social security to dodge – that’s how she might even have this job as a, as a CNA now. She also went by Beth Silva, too, so.
Kat: You have any more names? Because we do.
Bob: *laughs*
Kat: I do. I’m ready to tell.
Bob: You might as well get them out there Kat.
Kat: Alright let’s do it. Have you ever heard of this one? Amelia? It’s a version of Amy.
Bob: Yeah
Kat: She’s used Amelia. She uses her mother’s middle name as her middle name. So Amy Christine Rodriguez.
Bob: yep
Kat: Yep. Uhm, gosh, are there any others, Tony?
Tony: Uhmm I can’t think of any others, I think that was one that was unusual, was to see Amelia, but like you said it’s a deviation from Amy, so.
Bob: Uh huh. But of course she’ll spell Amy, y’know, a couple of different ways. Her real spelling is “A-M-Y” that’s, that, that is her birth spelling. Elizabeth is spelled how you would spell Elizabeth, for a girl. And Uh, uhm, she’s als- I think she’s – On the New England G.H.OS.T, G period, H period, O period, S period, T period, dot org. Uhm, she – uh, th- picture of Amy on there is, is in fact the Amy Morrison now Amy Rodriguez that we’re speaking about. Uhm, she, uh – uh – she uh, spells it, Aimee?
Kat: Yeah and I’ll tell you why. I’ll tell y- I’ll tell you why she told me why it’s spelled that way. Her mother na- her mother spelled her name that way at birth because she’s of Scottish Royalty because, uhm, her father Douglass Lewis MacLeod is, of course, the Duke of Trotternish –
Bob: **laughs**
Kat: Yes of course, the press would want to know exactly where she is at all times because she’s of the utmost importance because she is, uhm, the last living female heir to the, to the actual, I guess, Scottish throne, or something. Because only certain Royal families could pass on the Royal titles to the females and she is the last female to be able to receive that Royal title. So her mother didn’t name her na- uh- didn’t call her Amy “A-M-Y” she called her “A-I-M-E-E” because everybody would naturally be looking for “A-M-Y”. That’s also why Kevan’s first name is spelled “K-E-V-A-N” instead of “K-E-V-I-N”.
Bob: Nah, I. I uh, I spelled uhh, I spelled the uhh “K-E-V-A-N” because it’s Gaelic.
Kat: Yup
Bob: Because I’m Irish. I’m actually, uh
Kat: Yeah
Bob: I mean, yeah. I was the one who actually did the spelling on that so
Tony: The whole time we knew her that was how she spelled his first name. But his last name, as far as we knew, was MacLeod.
Bob: **laughs**
Kat: It was. It was MacLeod.
Tony: He had a Facebook account. It was Kevan MacLeod. Several Facebook accounts. Kevan MacLeod. He had an MSN account that was Kevan MacLeod. It was ridiculous.
Bob: *laughing*
Kat: it was kinda weird, too. Because we have a, we have a son that’s like his age. And whenever they would – whenever they would talk, whenever our son would talk with Kevan, Kevan nev- you could tell, Kevan never knew what to say. The kid never knew what to say. He like, hardly ever talked. One time they were playing video games together with my brother,
Bob: uh huh
Kat: and our son kept trying to talk to Kevan and Ke- he said Kevan wouldn’t say anything. He wouldn’t even look him in the eye. And our son was like “what is wrong with that kid?” **laugh** Y’know? And now –
36:22 [Threatening to starve her teen son if he didn’t help con a victim]
Bob: well he’s programmed to – he’s programmed to hide everything. I mean
Tony: He is
Kat: Right
Bob: for example, y’know, he – she tried to recruit him when he was 14 years old to lie about dying in a plane – lie about her dying in a plane crash to avoid paying back a $10,000 loan. From uh, some uh, some, some lady named Paisley. And I know the last name but I’m not gonna (?) it. And uh, y’know how she – y’know how she got him to do that. She – she threatened not to feed him if he wouldn’t uh – she threatened to not feed him if he wouldn’t help her so what Kevan did is he told her he was going to threaten to call the police on her.
Tony: huh
Bob: If she did that, so. I’m sorry, did I say that was when he was 14? This was when he was 16.
Kat: Wow
Bob: That was just a couple of years back, so.
38:30
Kat: and to clarify, if he (Kevan) didn’t do that she would not feed him.
Bob: Yeah. She wouldn’t, uh, y’know, wouldn’t feed him. I mean, y’know, here’s this – here’s this kid that uh, relies on his m- relies on his mother for food and shelter and here’s this, here’s this whack job saying y’know y’, you do this or I’m not gonna feed ya, you’re not gonna eat. Or this or that, y’know.
40:34
Bob: … …. … she always goes, she always tends to go with, leave- opens people’s minds up to the point where, y’know hey, it is a possibility.
Kat: right yeah
Bob: People think, yeah, that is a possibility. I mean, y’know, like for example, the father with all the money and everything like that. Y’know, you’re like why are you working as a nanny and, y’know, if your dad’s got all this money. “Well I’ve got this – I’ve got this inheritance coming when I hit, uhh, 30 years old, oh but I’m only 24”
Kat: I’ve heard that
Bob: Oh, ok, well, y’know, it… it. It could happen. Y’know, so that’s the first thing you think, well it could happen. But y’know, and then, and then by the time that – and by the time, uh, y’realize y’know, this woman’s just full of crap, y’know, she’s already gone. And just created havoc in your life. I mean she ruins relationships with uh, uhm, y’know, your friends. Your family.
Kat: oh, she does
Bob: Yeah
44:03 [Stole her own sister’s SSN#, opened credit cards with her info]
Bob: … … … Her sister, uh, her one sister who uh, is, who lives in Washington, uh that uh, y’know, she – she, she took her in, uh, and and and the 2 kids, and uhm and her, and her lazy husband Ralph. Amy’s lazy husband Ralph. Took’em in. And uh, what does – how does Amy repay her? She goes ahead and she uh starts uh, open- trying to open up credit cards in, under her sister’s name with her social security number. Opened up an EBay account, and uh, y’know, tried to buy things on Ebay under _ (sister’s) name. Spent PayPal dollars that her sister had saved up. Y’know, all behind (sister’s) back. And she’s ju- she’s just, she’s just pure – she’s just a – she is just a piece of human debris. That’s all she is. Is a piece of human debris.
Kat: And And And the important part for us, to get that point across, that she is leading people who are – who look up to her – and she is walking into client locations who expect that just by the nature of the position of being the founder of an organization and, and and, that founder of New England G.H.O.S.T she’s saying she is in charge of teams all over the world but definitely here in New England. She’s the – She’s the leader. Everybody’s looking up to her just naturally thinking that she’s the most moral and upright, upstanding person. Y’know, t- I mean, other groups are looking up to her and taking her, y’know, taking – y’know taking direction from her, she must be, she must automatically be able to pass background checks. She must be ‘right’ in the head. Y’know, she must, y’know have a moral compass that’s, that’s far better than anyone else’s, but that’s not what’s going on. And they don’t know that. And they won’t know it Until they listen to the show and understand that she is a disaster.
46:16
Kat:… … … It should not be surprising that she has conned all these people into believing that she is this natural born leader. Uh, this “14th generation psychic”. She knows more than she does. She’s, y’know, lived a hundred lifetimes. Or whatev- y’know. Y’know this old soul. And she’s just natural at this. She’s a Con Artist. And if you expose her to your clients – y’know, you take responsibility for yourself after you listen to this show, you take responsibility for yourself, now you know. And you listen to yesterday’s show (Elizabeth Perlis) and now you know. But when you expose – when you make a choice for a client that doesn’t know any better and you put her into their realm? You have put someone in danger. I guarantee, you have taken their choice away from them. Never even let them know they had a choice, and you made them a victim.
47:10
Bob: .. … and to expand on what you just said, Kat. It’s not just hearsay. It’s documented proof. All you need to do is just call up Avon Lake Police Department. Avon Lake, Ohio. And say uh, y’know, do you have an active arrest warrant for an Amy Morrison. Uhh, approximately 42 years old. And uh, they’ll check and they’ll tell you over the phone, “yeah, we do”.
50:32 [Child Neglect, Abandoned her 2 year old at a supervised visitation station]
Bob: She (Amy) has 4 kids. Uhm, 2 with me, 1 is passed away, with the car accident. But, uh, interestingly enough, and his name was Alex. And the last time Amy saw Alex was at a visitation at the Lancaster County Children and Youth. They would have her set up for visitation for an hour once a week,
Kat: Wai- wait wait, was it specifically ‘Supervised Visitation”?
Bob: Well, it was supposed to be supervised uhm, and I had Kevan living with me at the time, so Kevan had an opportunity to – y’know – get to spend some time with his brother. I agreed to allow Kevan in with the visitation that Amy had with Alex. Because Alex was in foster care. And I’d come back after the hour. I had dropped him off. And it was supposed to be supervised by one of their staff, and I came back after an hour and they informed me that Kevan was snatched by Amy. And I said “did she take Alex, too?” No. What she did is, she waited for Alex who was 2 years old to fall asleep on a couch and she quietly walked out of the center with Kevan, leaving the little baby sleeping on a couch unsupervised for, probably, 20 minutes. And that was the last time – that was the last time, uh, “mother of the year” Amy Morrison – Amy – Now Amy Rodriguez of New England G.H.O.S.T. saw her son, Alex. Our son, Alex. That was the very last time.
Tony: How old was Alex, at that time?
Bob: Alex was 2
53:02
Bob: Yeah, she, she left him – she left a 2 year old baby unsupervised. Very caring individual she is.
53:28
Bob: … I – I couldn’t believe it. I don’t. I mean, here I am, y’know, mad because – I mean, absolutely furious because she snatched this child who lived with me – and just completely heartbroken at the fact that she left this little, y’know, Alex, by himself, sleeping on a couch. Anybody could’ve taken him .. .. just completely heartbroken. I’m – I’m not kidding. It was a good thing they kept sharp objects away from me because, I was – I was ready to – I was read to really do some damage to the supervisors at that Children and Youth … ..
54:19 [Munchausen-by-Proxy, Pennsylvania takes her toddler into state custody]
Kat: Can I ask a question? Why was Alex in foster care? Was it the stopping breathing thing?
Bob: … … … let me go back farther than that … … I came home – I went to work one day. We were living in, uh, in Cleveland. And, uh, I found a, uhm, this is about maybe, ohh I wanna say 5, 6 months after Alex was born. And uh, I came home and found a prescription pad on the table at our apartment. And I’m like “Where’d y’get this?” And Amy’s eyes got as big as baseballs; “nnn I dunno I just, y’know I must have accidentally, uh, picked it up – uhh – put a book over it and picked it up or what have you” y’know. Then I found out she had a doctor’s appointment earlier that day. So, I called I – I – y’know I, told her, I said “well, y’know I’ll take this back to your doctor”. “No! No! No no no!” And then something really, y’know, something – there was someth- y’know a light went off I’m like what is she doin’? Y’know. Making up scripts for drugs or something like that, so I uh, called up my parents and I said, y’know, I’m gonna come over tomorrow after work and bring the kids by because I don’t want these kids around her. So I, she, I dunno, she must have heard me or something like that and uh, the next day I come home from work and she’s gone. Have no idea where she’s at. Turns out, uh, uhhh, y’know days went by and I couldn’t find out where she was at. Turns out she moved to Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And this is in 1995. She moved in with somebody or she called up somebody in Lancaster, Pennsylvania who was a friend of hers growing up, uhm, and y’know, of course claimed that she was the victim of domestic violence and I’m out to kill her and I’m stalking her and every little code word that she could use to get somebody – y’know, to tug at their heart strings. And, uh, come to find out, uh, that was like September of 1995 – or, I’m sorr- yeah, September of 1995. Come to find out in December of 1995 that Alex was put into foster care because she claimed Alex stopped breathing.
Well, I said “Why would they put the kid into foster care?” Well, what happened was is they gave her a monitor to take home with her that she needed to put Alex on to make sure that it – that ,y’know, she did – he did in fact stop breathing – make sure he’s ok. Well, she was actually living with the girl that, uh, she moved out to Lancaster, Pennsylvania to live with. She’s living there and apparently she was stealing money from her, too. And the girl called up the uh, the family services, or called up the police and s- and said ‘hey, y’know, this Amy, she’s not putting this baby on the monitor”. Well, they came out. The family services came out with a police officer and a technician and tested the monitor, cuz it’s got an internal computer, and they said “yeah” she hadn’t had this kid on the monitor for about a week and a half.
Kat: Oh, my.
Bob: supposed to put it on him every day. So they immediately took the child into custody. Into, uhm, into foster care right then and there. While, they’re like “Well where’s the father” – “Well I don’t know who the father is”. That was Amy’s response. She didn’t know who the father was.
Kat: Oh. Great.
Bob: Yeah. So.
59:00 [Child Neglect]
Bob: No. That was Child Neglect.
Kat: Now, not having the child in her care. That’s a domestic violence, uhm, charge by the state against her, right?
59:23 [Amy was kicked out of a battered women’s shelter]
Bob: Is there an active warrant still out there for her on that?
Tony: Not on that, no, but that – the court records actually states that, y’know, she was arrested, she was removed from the home, she was ordered to, uhh, take parenting classes and until she completed a parenting course she was not to have contact with those children.
Bob: Yeah, which she never did.
Tony: Right
Bob: Instead, what she did was she went ahead and she snatched’em, and uh, took’em to Pennsylvania. Where she wound up – y’know. Know what happened there. And, y’know, when she gets to Pennsylvania I, I, y’know I don’t know if you knew this but, uh, she, y’know, she bounced around living wi- y’know, conning people, Elizabeth (Perlis) being one of them. Uhh, and then when uhh, Kevan went to go live with, uh, her parents in Arizona, uhm, Amy was – Amy was actually homeless. And she went to a battered women’s shelter. Of course cried the blues about how she was a victim, victim, victim. And, of course they took her in, because they don’t assume anybody is not telling the truth on that but, uhmmm, and lo and behold if Amy didn’t get kicked out of the battered women’s shelter in Lancaster-
Kat: Are you serious?
Bob: Oh yeah.
1:01:11 [conning the New England paranormal community]
Kat: And that’s the difference though Bob, that’s the difference. Is what we’re looking at it is that this is a career criminal who really exhibits anti-social behavior. It’s like she hates society. She doesn’t have any emotional attachment to anybody. She goes from place to place and group to group and – I mean, she left our – she came to our group being somebody who had never investigated before. She was just suddenly and miraculously growing into her psychic – y’know, her psychic ability, even though she’s a “14th generation psychic”, uhm, y’know – I had to keep constantly like, try- like, explaining this is – no, Amy this is how you work your video camera. This is the “on”, literally, this is the “on” button, Amy. Y’know, hold it like this. She couldn’t, and every investigation it was “my recorder’s acting so strange, it never does this” and I ke- and always in my head I was like “Amy it did this 3x the last investigation and 3x the investigation before that, you don’t know how to work it”. She went. She went from 7 or 8 months with us to, literally within 2 months advertising that she is going to put on a course for investigators. They’re gonna pay her and then she’s gonna certify them – at – all – the point is that she reinvents herself everywhere she goes. She has no sense of responsibility. She has no sense of conscience about how her presence in other people’s lives affects other people. She doesn’t care.
Bob: I know
Kat: and now she’s leading this giant – y’know, to her it’s this giant organization – she’s this big leader, of all these people. And what they don’t know is, she had no experience before joining our group. And she just told the newspaper in Sanford at Halloween that she’s been doing this for 10 years.
1:08:09 [Stole someone’s ID and bought a car on their credit]
Bob: Oh, she mentioned something about, uh, buying a car. Now, uhm, what she did – back in 1995 she bought a, uh, bought a – I remember the car specifically, it was a Pontiac Grand Prix. In 1995. It was a brand new car. She stole someone’s ID and bought a car on their credit.
Kat: Oh my god
Bob: And then when sh- and then, then, and then, I, I only found this out after, after she moved to – she moved to Pennsyl-, she told me that her dad paid for it.
Kat: Of Course,
Bob: by that time I’m like “y’know” I, I can’t believe, y’know, nn- her dad didn’t pay for it but I wanted to just get as far away from that as possible. And then I find out that, uh, y’know, that she th- they were coming to the house, or, coming to the apartment, trying to get the car because she hadn’t make – hadn’t made any payments on it. And I said “look, I’m not involved in this, this is on you” and, y’know. Well, you know where she’s at? I said, “no, I don’t, I really don’t” and, y’know. But, uh, yeh, and, and, and I wouldn’t protect her at all. Y’know. I wanted to know where my kids were at.
Kat: Right
Bob: So, but, uh, yeah, she wound up crashing that car.
1:14:45
Bob: We’re in the day and age of uh, of video. And, she’ll – she would be on video getting caught doing something and deny, deny, deny. It got altered. It’s someone that looks like me. That’s-
Kat: Yeah
Bob: y’know, how could you pull me out. Y’know, it’s, y’know, y- her job is to be a professional victim. And it’s documented that she’s done these things. And continues to do these things.
1:21:04 [identifying this podcast episode is about Amy Elizabeth Morrison Rodriguez]
Tony: Hey Bob, we actually have a question from the chatroom, and uhm, there’s a – there’s a member in the chatroom and her name is, or his name is FoxyBooxy(s) her question is “who are you guys talking about?”. Do you wanna let her know?
Bob: Yes, absolutely. Got your pen ready, there, Foxy? It is Amy, A-M-Y, Elizabeth, Morrison, and her birthdate is July 18, 1971 and she is – actually, heads up the New England G period, H period, O period, S period, T period, so
Kat: Yup, and and I would like-
Bob: that’s who we’re talking about
Tony: and what’s her name right now?
Bob: Her name right now is uh, Amy Ro- Ralph- to the best of my knowledge she is married to a Ralph Rodriguez. Now, if you were to go onto that New England uh,
Kat: New England GHOST. NewEnglandGhost.org
Bob: NewEnglandGHOST.org and you were to click on, uhm, the team you’ll see the uh, you’ll see Amy. Uhh, picture of a real creepy picture of some blond girl staring into the camera. That would be who we’re talking about. Specifically. And, uh, if you wanna click onto the security – err the, uhm, director of security, l-o-l, that would be her husband Ralph. Ralph Rodriguez. And that’s who we’re talking about.
01:28:27 [Amy Morrison Rodriguez makes empty threats of legal action as a tactic]
Kat: you said a word that just triggered something in my mind. There’s another. There’s another uhm, another thing that Am- that Amy does when, uhm, when you’re getting a little too close to something. And Tony actually hit, hit a nerve, like. Gosh, toward the end Tony, he- Tony was hitting nerves, like, every other day. She likes to threaten people. She’ll, she’ll threaten people, she’ll start threatening people. Uhm, my, ohmygosh, her husband has, uh, her father has a legal team that’s protecting her at all times. Because, you know he IS the Duke of Trotternish. Anyway. And, uhm,
1:29:40
Bob: She’s a very sick individual. Uhh, there’s, there’s, the body count is just, i- i- I, y’know, until she’s – until she’s Locked up or something, err, or in uhh, or in – institutionalized, or something like that, she’s just gonna, somebody’s out there that’s going to, to fall for it. And there gonna-
Kat: and that’s what concerns us
Bob: exactly. As, as, as caring human beings, anybody who, who, who has a heart, or cares about people, whatsoever, uhm, would, wou- would want to see her stopped. I mean, you – Tony and Kat, you have countless hours on this. Not only to protect your livelihood and your business, but to protect other people. I mean you’re genuinely concerned for people, this is-
Kat: for other TEAMS and clients, yeah.
Bob: exactly, you’re genuinely concerned about the welfare of people. And and the money, that y’kn- and and the money and the devastation that she can create. I mean this isn’t just. I can tell. I wouldn’t be on the phone with you if I – if I thought “Oh, this is some self serving bunch of crap”. You are genuinely- you are genuinely concerned for people.
Kat: Yes, and this is why. And this is why. Because – because, after she’s done with us and New England, it’s like you said. She’s outta here.
Bob: exactly
Kat: because that’s what she does
1:40:33 [Fake cancer claim – Upon arrest faked miscarriage – Fled police]
Bob: well here’s something else, she claimed – she claimed, in uh, she claimed she was – she had cancer and she-
Kat: Oh! She told me that! She told me that!
Bob: Well. Well. Well, she that that would strike a nerve with me because my uh, my grandmother died of cancer and, and more recently in 1999 my mother died of cancer, but this, she claimed that she had cancer, uhh, well before 1999. And she also claimed now, now listen to this, this is, y’know just gives you another example of how she will stop at nothing to perpetrate a fraud. She uh, she said she was having, sh- she said she was pregnant, and this is in between Alex and Kevan. Uhh, so, she uh, she said I’m, I, I’m having all these, y’know, contractions. So, I, y’know, took her to the hospital. Like “What’s going on?” And she’s, y’know, she’s like “aw I’m pregnant and I’m having a miscarriage” and, took her to the hospital, the nurses come out, they’re like, “she wasn’t even pregnant”. And I said, but she said she was pregnant. “No, she wasn’t pregnant, dear”. Y’know? And uh, and, and Amy came out “ohh, I, I, y’know I just had a miscarriage”. Right at the hospital! (Laughing) These women are standing there. These nurses are standing there “what are you talking about, you weren’t even pregnant”. “Oh yes I was, I just had a miscarriage”. She would stand there and bold-faced lie. Y’know. And, and, y’know “Why aren’t you believing me??” Y’know, and then she goes into the tears and everything like that. Y’know
Tony: she does that – she does that when she gets arrested, too
Bob: oh yah
Kat: Oh yeah. Yeah, oh she did that when – that’s right Tony, we have
Tony: I’m having uh, I’m having, I’m having contractions. Whatever it is. I’m having a problem you should take me to the hospital.
Bob: uh huh
Kat: during the transport right Tony? During the transport.
Tony: yeah
Kat: she was in cuffs
Tony: she got arrested, they were taking her to jail “oh my god, I’m having a problem, I’m pregnant, I need to go to the hospital, I need to go to the hospital”
Bob: Nuthin’ wrong
Kat: Yup. So they got her out of the cuffs. They brought her in. And all this sympathy and everything. And, y’know, totally interrupted getting arrested so that she could go and, I don’t know, go have contractions or something. And she and she wasn’t even pregnant. That’s the kind of perso-
Bob: Oh, when was this?
Kat: That was, uh, after one of the arrests from the checkbook- well, she also, she also, she tried to pass at – in like a grocery store or something, and uhm, her name was on a list, and when they tried to run the check through they had to, they uh, the person called the manager
Bob: they had to call the security down
Kat: Yah, and the manager came out and, and started to – started to address the matter with her and she, y’know just grabbed her – grabbed her abdomen and like “oh my god, I’m, oh my gosh I think I’m going into labor!” And, and ran out of the store. (Laugh)
Bob: (laughs) Y’know what, I remember hearing about that and that was in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Yes.
Kat: yeah
Bob: in the mid 90’s
Kat: Yeah. And they arr- and then they just went to her house and arrested her instead of just – but I mean, that – but that, that’s what she does. That’s the kind of thing she does, so.
Bob: She’s garbage. She’s just garbage. And she’s just gonna leave a path of destruction a hundred miles wide, and anybody out there that may ha- may get – be contacted by her, do yourself a favor and stay the hell away from her. Stay the hell away from her and if anyone out there has had dealing with her? Go. Check. Your Credit.
Kat: oh my god
Bob: Go. Check. Your. Credit.
Kat: I hope no one’s given her their, their social security numbers to do background checks
Bob: She’ll go into their purse and get it, or she’ll uh, or she’ll find something laying around the house. Y’know, anybody, I’m talking clients. I’m talking co-worker. I’m talking ANYBODY. Y- Y’know. Anybody that has had her in their house. Check. Your. Credit. Spend the 20 bucks to check your credit.